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Post by CAwasinNJ on Apr 26, 2022 15:44:00 GMT -6
The translator does not have to go off the air at night when the AM does.. as long as the am comes back on the next day, fm translators for am daytimers are allowed to continue on with regular programming. That was the whole point of this revitalization of AM with these translators.. what would be the point of shutting the FM off at 430pm in winter if the point was to help AMs? Wait. What? The point of revitalization is to help daytimers continue programming at night? That is a part of it for sure, but it goes beyond that. Even going way back to the first AM-on-translator STA's issued back in 2007 there were unlimited time stations getting them. |
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Post by oldiesfunhouse on Apr 27, 2022 9:01:44 GMT -6
Are there still lots of AMs that have to sign off at night? I know a lot of them power way way down at night but, at least on the salt Lake City radio dial, I think "daytimers" don't exist anymore, do they? The last one I remember was 1510 KLLB which has been dark for a number of years. 1060 during the KRSP/KKDS days signed off at night but, by the time they became KDYL, they were 24 hours, albeit with a ridiculously low amount of power at night. I imagine there might be more daytimers in smaller and more rural markets. That's just a guess on my part. I haven't done any research. For someone like me, who does all my radio listening now over the internet, except for when I'm in the car, (admittedly, my little Echo Dot Alexa has taken the place of the clock radio for me), this concern about stations powering down or going off the air is teetering on the brink of moot. I think I've shared this story before but, in case I haven't, I got my first iPhone in 2009. When I was a kid I always had a portable radio Walkman type device or even those headsets that had an AM FM radio built right in and those went everywhere with me. When I got my iPhone, (my sincere apologies to all the "radio purists" out there), a portable device that could get nearly all the radio stations and without static, interference, or fade-outs was really exciting to me--still is. And, the app I use, I can rewind and record too. I still scan the "terrestrial" dial when I go into new cities but if I find a station I like there, I find out if they have an internet stream and, if they do, I add it to my favorites on my internet radio app on my iPhone. I have way too many irons in my fire to take on this research project myself but it would be interesting if someone wanted to find out what percentage of stations in the U.S. don't stream. Ones that may or may not stream here are KJJC, KDYL, KNIT, and maybe some of the Christian stations on the public band. KYFO might not and whatever that station is on 95.7. Okay, maybe there are lots that don't stream. LOL! And, of course, there are ones that have to turn off their streams when they broadcast certain things which is irritating to me but I understand it. Money talks and … well you know the rest of it. I apologize CA. My ramblings in here always seem to drift away from the thread topic. We were talking about translators and I moved it to internet streams.
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Post by amanuensis on Apr 27, 2022 9:53:32 GMT -6
My behavior echoes oldiesfunhouse. I only listen to an actual radio when I am in the car. Listening at the house is all Internet streams, which may or may not be a stream that one can also listen to via radio.
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Post by radiowyoming on Apr 27, 2022 12:04:49 GMT -6
Are there still lots of AMs that have to sign off at night? I know a lot of them power way way down at night but, at least on the salt Lake City radio dial, I think "daytimers" don't exist anymore, do they? The last one I remember was 1510 KLLB which has been dark for a number of years. 1060 during the KRSP/KKDS days signed off at night but, by the time they became KDYL, they were 24 hours, albeit with a ridiculously low amount of power at night. I imagine there might be more daytimers in smaller and more rural markets. That's just a guess on my part. I haven't done any research. For someone like me, who does all my radio listening now over the internet, except for when I'm in the car, (admittedly, my little Echo Dot Alexa has taken the place of the clock radio for me), this concern about stations powering down or going off the air is teetering on the brink of moot. I think I've shared this story before but, in case I haven't, I got my first iPhone in 2009. When I was a kid I always had a portable radio Walkman type device or even those headsets that had an AM FM radio built right in and those went everywhere with me. When I got my iPhone, (my sincere apologies to all the "radio purists" out there), a portable device that could get nearly all the radio stations and without static, interference, or fade-outs was really exciting to me--still is. And, the app I use, I can rewind and record too. I still scan the "terrestrial" dial when I go into new cities but if I find a station I like there, I find out if they have an internet stream and, if they do, I add it to my favorites on my internet radio app on my iPhone. I have way too many irons in my fire to take on this research project myself but it would be interesting if someone wanted to find out what percentage of stations in the U.S. don't stream. Ones that may or may not stream here are KJJC, KDYL, KNIT, and maybe some of the Christian stations on the public band. KYFO might not and whatever that station is on 95.7. Okay, maybe there are lots that don't stream. LOL! And, of course, there are ones that have to turn off their streams when they broadcast certain things which is irritating to me but I understand it. Money talks and … well you know the rest of it. I apologize CA. My ramblings in here always seem to drift away from the thread topic. We were talking about translators and I moved it to internet streams.
his was painful to read.. could you try proper sentences/paragraphs.. my head is spinning.
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Post by radiowyoming on Apr 27, 2022 12:05:06 GMT -6
The translator does not have to go off the air at night when the AM does.. as long as the am comes back on the next day, fm translators for am daytimers are allowed to continue on with regular programming. That was the whole point of this revitalization of AM with these translators.. what would be the point of shutting the FM off at 430pm in winter if the point was to help AMs? Wait. What? The point of revitalization is to help daytimers continue programming at night? That is a part of it for sure, but it goes beyond that. Even going way back to the first AM-on-translator STA's issued back in 2007 there were unlimited time stations getting them.
es, quite.. you mis interpreted what i said.. all kinds of AM's can get the translators.. daytimers, full timers.. but what i said was..... daytimers fm translators can continue on after dark and am's with fm translators dont have to be fed over the air
Once again, you mis read/mis interpreted/took what i said the wrong way.
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Post by kenglish on Apr 27, 2022 12:30:27 GMT -6
"Once again, you mis read/mis interpreted/took what i said the wrong way."
Happens sometimes. We all do it.
No harm done 😏 .
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Post by David on Apr 27, 2022 13:00:44 GMT -6
Are there still lots of AMs that have to sign off at night? I know a lot of them power way way down at night but, at least on the salt Lake City radio dial, I think "daytimers" don't exist anymore, do they? The last one I remember was 1510 KLLB which has been dark for a number of years. 1060 during the KRSP/KKDS days signed off at night but, by the time they became KDYL, they were 24 hours, albeit with a ridiculously low amount of power at night. I imagine there might be more daytimers in smaller and more rural markets. That's just a guess on my part. I haven't done any research. For someone like me, who does all my radio listening now over the internet, except for when I'm in the car, (admittedly, my little Echo Dot Alexa has taken the place of the clock radio for me), this concern about stations powering down or going off the air is teetering on the brink of moot. I think I've shared this story before but, in case I haven't, I got my first iPhone in 2009. When I was a kid I always had a portable radio Walkman type device or even those headsets that had an AM FM radio built right in and those went everywhere with me. When I got my iPhone, (my sincere apologies to all the "radio purists" out there), a portable device that could get nearly all the radio stations and without static, interference, or fade-outs was really exciting to me--still is. And, the app I use, I can rewind and record too. I still scan the "terrestrial" dial when I go into new cities but if I find a station I like there, I find out if they have an internet stream and, if they do, I add it to my favorites on my internet radio app on my iPhone. I have way too many irons in my fire to take on this research project myself but it would be interesting if someone wanted to find out what percentage of stations in the U.S. don't stream. Ones that may or may not stream here are KJJC, KDYL, KNIT, and maybe some of the Christian stations on the public band. KYFO might not and whatever that station is on 95.7. Okay, maybe there are lots that don't stream. LOL! And, of course, there are ones that have to turn off their streams when they broadcast certain things which is irritating to me but I understand it. Money talks and … well you know the rest of it. I apologize CA. My ramblings in here always seem to drift away from the thread topic. We were talking about translators and I moved it to internet streams. his was painful to read.. could you try proper sentences/paragraphs.. my head is spinning. Paul, I'm pretty sure that oldiesfunhouse is visually impaired, so he's probably using a speech to text program that doesn't always translate everything perfectly. Please keep this in mind when you're reading and/or replying to his posts. 🙂 As far as daytime only AM stations are concerned, I don't think the FCC has issued any licenses for "daytimers" since the 1980's. The ones that remain have been grandfathered in, and I believe some of the AM stations that were formerly required to sign off at sunset are now allowed to remain on the air 24/7, but are restricted to ridiculously low power levels at night. As for how many daytime only stations are still broadcasting, I found a list on Wikipedia, which may or may not be up to date. KLLB is still on the list, and they went "dark" in 2017. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Daytime-only_radio_stations |
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Post by radiowyoming on Apr 27, 2022 15:50:09 GMT -6
his was painful to read.. could you try proper sentences/paragraphs.. my head is spinning. Paul, I'm pretty sure that oldiesfunhouse is visually impaired, so he's probably using a speech to text program that doesn't always translate everything perfectly. Please keep this in mind when you're reading and/or replying to his posts. 🙂
Thanks for telling me. im not here often enough to know that and my sincerest apologies mr oldiesfunhouse  |
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Post by radiowyoming on Apr 27, 2022 15:52:06 GMT -6
his was painful to read.. could you try proper sentences/paragraphs.. my head is spinning. Paul, I'm pretty sure that oldiesfunhouse is visually impaired, so he's probably using a speech to text program that doesn't always translate everything perfectly. Please keep this in mind when you're reading and/or replying to his posts. 🙂 As far as daytime only AM stations are concerned, I don't think the FCC has issued any licenses for "daytimers" since the 1980's. The ones that remain have been grandfathered in, and I believe some of the AM stations that were formerly required to sign off at sunset are now allowed to remain on the air 24/7, but are restricted to ridiculously low power levels at night. As for how many daytime only stations are still broadcasting, I found a list on Wikipedia, which may or may not be up to date. KLLB is still on the list, and they went "dark" in 2017. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Daytime-only_radio_stations
The FCC wont license any new daytimers.. minimum is 250w at night, no matter how many towers it takes.. but existing stations can downgrade.
Stations that were strict sunrise to sunset only were given peanut whistle power back around 86-88.. and thats what you see today.
I worked for an AM that was given... 27 watts.. i just signed the sucker off at sunset for 2 reasonms.
transmitter couldnt make that low power.. and a station that was on the same channel one state away was clearly cheating and my 27 watts wouldnt have made it into town 2 miles away
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Post by friendlee on Apr 27, 2022 22:17:40 GMT -6
I am not sure how the rule applies to non-comm AM's with FM translators in the non-reserved portion of the FM band since I don't have experience there or exactly how that works for daytimers. I'd guess if it's past sunset or before sunrise (and outside of any PSA/PSSA hours), an associated FM translator should be off, too (viz. no input, no output). Point being as I said that I don't have experience in AM on FM translators so I could not speak authoritatively on the subject, only on NCE-FM on FM translators in either the reserved or non-reserved band. |
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