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Post by levoix on Sept 9, 2021 8:40:31 GMT -6
Yesterday I was listening to 105.5 FM in the Salt Lake valley.
At the top of the hour, I hear:
"K-U-D-D HD-2 American Fork"
...and that was it.
Is that the correct way to identify?
Shouldn't it be:
K288GY 105.5 FM Tooele, KUDD HD-2 American Fork
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Post by kenglish on Sept 9, 2021 10:05:19 GMT -6
I saw your post a couple of minutes before the TOH. Quickly tuned in and heard two IDs, back to back.
One was just what you quoted, the other was something that was buried under music, but ended with "...Salt Lake City".
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Post by oldiesfunhouse on Sept 9, 2021 13:43:01 GMT -6
I don't think translators, which is what 105.5 is, are required to be IDed. Therefore, the only thing they're required to ID is the HD2 signal. I'm guessing the second ID was sung. "105.5 KOOL FM … Salt Lake City." That's not a legal ID. It's just imaging. Now 979 does that too. They say KBZN Ogden and then the jingle singers sing "Now 979 Salt Lake City."
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Post by CAwasinNJ on Sept 10, 2021 7:49:27 GMT -6
Translators are definitely required to ID, but the requirements are different than for full service (full power) stations. The important difference for this discussion is that they aren't required to be IDed aurally and most don't. For silent IDing they can use either a frequency shift of the carrier or amplitude modulation of the FM carrier. The specifics are laid out in 47 CFR 74.1283(c), a copy of which is here: www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/74.1283 |
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Post by kenglish on Sept 10, 2021 11:19:10 GMT -6
Thanks for the link. I knew it was somewhere, but couldn't find it myself.
Now, we should all listen in on our favorite translators, and see if we actually hear those required IDs.
The FSK and the AM'ing of the FM carrier might be tricky to see/hear. Maybe the FSK could be seen on an SDR, and the AM heard in Narrow Band AM mode in a communications receiver.
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Post by kenglish on Sept 10, 2021 11:19:53 GMT -6
Thanks for the link. I knew it was somewhere, but couldn't find it myself.
Now, we should all listen in on our favorite translators, and see if we actually hear those required IDs.
The FSK and the AM'ing of the FM carrier might be tricky to see/hear. Maybe the FSK could be seen on an SDR, and the AM heard in Narrow Band AM mode in a communications receiver.
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Post by CAwasinNJ on Sept 10, 2021 21:14:04 GMT -6
Full service stations have been playing fast and loose with ID's for many many years. I wouldn't be surprised if translators were worse, especially since to confirm an ID wasn't given takes an effort.
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Post by fmdj1 on Sept 11, 2021 15:51:16 GMT -6
Personally, I like ID'ing my translators because it gives a sense of being local. But I'm also a fan of liners that use city and community names to identify where people can hear a station (ie."from Salt Lake City to Salem, this is KXYZ")
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Post by David on Sept 14, 2021 13:59:24 GMT -6
Speaking of legal ID's, I noticed that 103.1 is now identifying as just "KLO" (not KLO-FM) at the top of the hour. I assume that constitutes a legal ID, since KLO AM ceased to exist almost a year ago, and 1430 is now identifying as KMES. Took 'em long enough! 😉
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Post by CAwasinNJ on Sept 14, 2021 17:17:47 GMT -6
Speaking of legal ID's, I noticed that 103.1 is now identifying as just "KLO" (not KLO-FM) at the top of the hour. I assume that constitutes a legal ID, since KLO AM ceased to exist almost a year ago, and 1430 is now identifying as KMES. Took 'em long enough! 😉 Since KLO still isn't their callsign and I don't see anything indicating they filed for a change, no that is not a proper ID. |
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