dspete
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Post by dspete on Feb 20, 2018 3:58:30 GMT -6
Well someone is running this station as it's promoting the return of Jim Rome back to Salt Lake....
It's running CBS Sports Network
I thought Jim Rome was on KLO?
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Post by CAwasinNJ on Feb 20, 2018 5:29:03 GMT -6
Rome was on KLO at least as of a week ago. Of course they are technically licensed to Ogden. Rome is on CBS Sports Radio, which as far as I know 1230 has been running since Cumulus stuck it on there to keep the transmitter warm a few years ago. If they're only running promos on their own air I guess it makes sense. If you can hear the station you might want to know what's on it. Their lousy 20 watts isn't going to get them very far though. Another interesting point is that it's now just shy of a year since KLO added Rome. Maybe they only has a 1 year contract and it's not being renewed?
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Post by David on Feb 20, 2018 11:24:07 GMT -6
Well someone is running this station as it's promoting the return of Jim Rome back to Salt Lake.... It's running CBS Sports Network I thought Jim Rome was on KLO? Rome's program is still on KLO and the station is still listed as an affiliate on his web site; so if 1230 has bought the rights to air his program in the SLC market again, it hasn't happened yet. I wonder if Vic Michael (Kona Coast Radio) is planning on resurrecting the KFNZ sports format on 1230/1320? The new tower being built at the site of the collapsed KRRF tower is going to be set up for diplex operation according to the for sale ad for KNIT (1320) on the RadioTV Deals site. Personally, I think he'd be crazy trying to compete against KALL and KNZS in this market, especially when Cumulus pulled the plug on KFNZ after the station's last monthly sales billing was only $16,000. There's also KOVO (960 AM) to consider, which has a much better signal in Northern Utah (and probably Salt Lake as well) with their new tower set up. |
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Terry
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Post by Terry on Feb 20, 2018 11:39:47 GMT -6
I am hearing Jim Rome on 1230 and 1430 right now. The signal on 1230 is poor.
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Post by amanuensis on Feb 20, 2018 11:43:52 GMT -6
Well someone is running this station as it's promoting the return of Jim Rome back to Salt Lake.... It's running CBS Sports Network I thought Jim Rome was on KLO? Rome's program is still on KLO and the station is still listed as an affiliate on his web site; so if 1230 has bought the rights to air his program in the SLC market again, it hasn't happened yet. I wonder if Vic Michael (Kona Coast Radio) is planning on resurrecting the KFNZ sports format on 1230/1320? The new tower being built at the site of the collapsed KRRF tower is going to be set up for diplex operation according to the for sale ad for KNIT (1320) on the RadioTV Deals site. Personally, I think he'd be crazy trying to compete against KALL and KNZS in this market, especially when Cumulus pulled the plug on KFNZ after the station's last monthly sales billing was only $16,000. There's also KOVO (960 AM) to consider, which has a much better signal in Northern Utah (and probably Salt Lake as well) with their new tower set up. Not to mention KSL and its BYU programming. |
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Post by David on Feb 20, 2018 15:52:14 GMT -6
I am hearing Jim Rome on 1230 and 1430 right now. The signal on 1230 is poor. Terry, are you hearing anything on 1320? I thought I heard a weak signal on that frequency earlier today, but it's hard to tell since I'm in Ogden. KNIT only has about 7 days to get back on the air before its license expires. |
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Terry
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Post by Terry on Feb 20, 2018 15:56:51 GMT -6
1320 is silent. No carrier either. I haven't heard anything there for a long time.
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Post by CAwasinNJ on Feb 21, 2018 0:02:28 GMT -6
David, what is your source for KFNZ's billing?
The more I think about this the more I think that promo was probably created years ago. DSPete, did you hear the promo on 1230 itself? They get local avails so they might as well put something there rather than running the national feed. Since I doubt they're selling much (probably not selling anything at all) locally, the promo is as good a filler as any.
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Post by David on Feb 21, 2018 0:39:28 GMT -6
David, what is your source for KFNZ's billing? Here's my source for KFNZ's final month of sales billing before the station went dark: it's Radiorelic's first post on the thread: talkingutahradio.proboards.com/thread/1557/1320-kfnz-dark-afternoonThe more I think about this the more I think that promo was probably created years ago. DSPete, did you hear the promo on 1230 itself? They get local avails so they might as well put something there rather than running the national feed. Since I doubt they're selling much (probably not selling anything at all) locally, the promo is as good a filler as any. It wouldn't be the first time a local radio station owned by Cumulus has aired promos long after their "expiration date." KKAT-AM was still running promos billing the station as "Utah's home for Phil Hendrie" almost a year after Hendrie's program disappeared from terrestrial radio. But the promo on 1230 still doesn't explain Terry hearing Jim Rome on both 1230 and KLO at the same time, unless the station he heard on 1230 was DX from another CBS Sports station. |
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Post by CAwasinNJ on Feb 21, 2018 1:36:13 GMT -6
Unless the contract with KLO called for exclusivity there's no reason both stations can't air the program. (P.S. SiriusXM just added all of CBS Sports Radio too, which conflicts with both KRRF and KLO.) Complicating that matter is that the CBS Sports Radio feed on 1230 predates Rome being added to KLO by about a year. So, KLO knew there was conflict before the deal ever happened.
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dspete
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Post by dspete on Feb 21, 2018 5:13:46 GMT -6
Heck I didn't know 1230 has been on the air as you said CA for over a year? I was scanning for 1280 The Zone when it stopped on 1230 and I thought they had replaced The Zone's PK and Dj when I was listening at first.
No Call sign just said Jim Rome returning to Salt LAke on Utah's Sports Radio 1230 AM
Very weak signal as I can listen to KBOI more clearer than 1230!
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Post by David on Feb 21, 2018 7:39:47 GMT -6
Heck I didn't know 1230 has been on the air as you said CA for over a year? I was scanning for 1280 The Zone when it stopped on 1230 and I thought they had replaced The Zone's PK and Dj when I was listening at first. No Call sign just said Jim Rome returning to Salt LAke on Utah's Sports Radio 1230 AM Very weak signal as I can listen to KBOI more clearer than 1230! If your radio stopped on 1230 in scan mode, you must have been right next to Bearcat Dr. in Salt Lake! KRRF has been broadcasting @ 20 watts into a longwire antenna from Cumulus' offices since March 2016 under STA from the FCC. The FCC database still shows Cumulus as the licensee even though the license was assigned to Kona Coast Radio in January, so I'm assuming that 1230 is still broadcasting from Bearcat Dr. |
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dspete
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Post by dspete on Feb 21, 2018 8:20:18 GMT -6
I was on Bangerter and it came in from the airport to the end of my commute in Daybreak 11400 south... weak but it was there
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Post by amanuensis on Feb 21, 2018 11:41:57 GMT -6
I also could weakly receive 1230 this morning in the car then parked at my home in West Jordan.
I then tuned to 1320 to see if any signal was there. I was surprised to hear Doug Wright speaking. Can someone with knowledge of harmonics or other esoteric aspects of broadcasting physics explain in layman's terms how KSL's 1160 khz signal was being heard at 1320 khz? (I confirmed that it was in fact the KSL signal by also tuning to 1160.)
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Post by David on Feb 21, 2018 14:08:25 GMT -6
I also could weakly receive 1230 this morning in the car then parked at my home in West Jordan. I then tuned to 1320 to see if any signal was there. I was surprised to hear Doug Wright speaking. Can someone with knowledge of harmonics or other esoteric aspects of broadcasting physics explain in layman's terms how KSL's 1160 khz signal was being heard at 1320 khz? (I confirmed that it was in fact the KSL signal by also tuning to 1160.) Amanuensis, the technical term for what you experienced is a harmonic image. What happens is a multiple of the original frequency (in this case 1160 AM) is heard above the original frequency. Images are received at multiples of the original frequency: 1160 kHz x 2=2320 kHz-1000 kHz=1320 kHz. I live about a mile from KOGN (1490 AM), and I regularly hear images of 1490 at 590 kHz on almost all of my radios except for the ones that have dual or triple stage conversion (filtering). It's very common for a strong signal like KSL's to overload a receiver and cause multiple images on different frequencies when you're close to a transmitter or listening on a radio with poor filtering, which is about 80% of modern AM/FM radios. I've heard images of KOGN in the 2 MHz shortwave band as well, and I used to receive images of KXOL 1660 on 760 kHz before the FCC finally shut down that station. This page explains harmonic images in more detail if you're interested, and it uses the 1160 frequency as an example: forums.radioreference.com/hf-mw-lw-general-discussion/260585-mw-harmonic-lw.html I've noticed that signal propagation on the AM broadcast band has been very unusual today. At 1:00 PM I'm hearing KRKK 1360 AM in Rock Springs, WY loud and clear at a distance of 180 miles, as well as 3 or 4 other Wyoming stations at least 150 miles distant from my location in NE Ogden. That's why I love DX'ing the AM broadcast band: you never know what you'll hear from one day to the next!  |
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