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Post by commanderlumpy on Aug 23, 2019 19:16:15 GMT -6
Hello folks. I was sitting on the patio of my apartment complex on Monday night in Pleasant Grove. I have a portable desk top HD radio. I kid you not, I picked the signals Kikx 96.7 and KLZX from Logan. I even listened to the top of the hour ID to make sure it was what I thought I was picking up. Sure enough, I was right. Why did pick up those stations clear from down here? On Tuesday Night I tried to receive the same signals. I could not pick up KLZX because X96 got there translator back on the air here in Utah County. However, I was still able to pick up Kikx 96 in Logan. I suspect I could have received Q92 out of Logan except 92.9 is one of the translators that 93.7 the Wolf used. On another note. Like the music on X96 classics a whole lot better then on the Wave. The wave plays a lot of songs I have heard over and over again. X96 either plays a whole lot more obscure music, songs I haven’t heard in a long time, or songs that just didn’t get a lot of air play back in the day on alternative stations back in the 80’s. I wish X96 HD2 would hire live air talent at least during the hours of 10:00 AM to 6:00 PM. That would be cool. Then they can have a request line that people can call in and request songs and be heard on the air. I wonder if that will ever happen on X96 HD2. I will write or talk to you all later.
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Post by oldiesfunhouse on Aug 27, 2019 8:40:07 GMT -6
I thought Kix 96 in Logan's calls were KKEX. This is the one at 96.7, right? Maybe they've changed them recently because I haven't listened but they were KKEX with a City of License of Preston. Preston, Idaho, I believe which is very near Logan. 95.9 KLZX, interestingly, at least several years ago, was licensed to Weston. I believe Weston might be in Idaho too. I think the only way you'd hear live on-air talent on KXRK X96 HD2 is if they were ever able to simulcast that on a translator, similar to KJMY 99.5 HD2. I don't think they have commerials on X96 Classics which means that signal isn't generating any revenue. Therefore, there would be no money to pay air staff. Other than KJMY, in a check a few weeks back, I think Clear Channel, sorry, I mean, iHeart, has taken down all it's HD2 stations. I think some of that had to do with the work being done on Farnsworth but I think 105.9 and 106.7 had their HD2's down too and, I don't know for sure, but I didn't think their transmitters were on Farnsworth. I know back when it was 106.5, that transmitter was on Lake Mountain but … I don't know. I think the only reason HD subchannels have stayed around is because of the loophole in the FCC regulations that allows the subchannels to be broadcast on translator stations. (Easy 99.1, case and point.) I wonder if Broadway has ever considered putting X96 Classics on that 95.9 signal. I always wonder why they have that. 96.3 is licensed to Provo so you'd think the coverage area would be duplicated by the translator but … I used to think that your city of license was where your strongest point of signal should be. If that was ever accurate, I don't think it is anymore. 1010, formerly KTUR and KIQN, now KIHU didn't come in well at all in Tooele, when I was there several years ago late in the evening after they'd powered down.
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Post by radiowyoming on Aug 27, 2019 9:48:58 GMT -6
I used to think that your city of license was where your strongest point of signal should be. If that was ever accurate, I don't think it is anymore. 1010, formerly KTUR and KIQN, now KIHU didn't come in well at all in Tooele, when I was there several years ago late in the evening after they'd powered down. No, class D stations... translators and those AM's licensed as Class D's have no city of license coverage requirements and dont have to put a certain percentage of a signal with no inteference over the city of license
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Post by radiowyoming on Aug 27, 2019 10:06:38 GMT -6
I used to think that your city of license was where your strongest point of signal should be. If that was ever accurate, I don't think it is anymore. 1010, formerly KTUR and KIQN, now KIHU didn't come in well at all in Tooele, when I was there several years ago late in the evening after they'd powered down. No, class D stations... translators and those AM's licensed as Class D's have no city of license coverage requirements and dont have to put a certain percentage of a signal with no inteference over the city of license I will add Class D licenses are all translators, lpfms and AM's with 250 watts or less at night. There are few am's with less then 250 watts at night that arent class d's because of an over efficient towr. This is so because of the viture of their nature, Class D's cant cover their entire communities sometimes with the limited power they have
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Post by mtndew on Aug 27, 2019 17:03:17 GMT -6
KLZX 25 kw from Smithfield, UT, the same tower as KKEX, the full-power flamethrower at 100 kw, and also the boosters in Tremonton: KKEX's big signal at 11kw, but KLZX at far less (I don't feel like looking it up, but ...) Usually those signals are lost driving south from Ogden before you hit SLC. So that Pleasant Grove is a really long way to hear the signal. It depends on terrain shielding, multipath issues, etc., but it seems like a long way on the designated frequencies, and any new boosters would be of the same frequency; I don't know of any south-of-Tremonton boosters for those stations. Unless you are a serious DX'er, I think you wouldn't normally NOT hear them. I will stop short of saying, "you shouldn't hear them ..."- Probably just a fluke ... ...
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Post by CAwasinNJ on Aug 27, 2019 20:15:19 GMT -6
Beyond what a listener could normally hear could be explained by tropospheric ducting. This is a good time to see that. And yes, 96.7 Preston ID/Logan is KKEX and their transmitter is just north of Logan. KLZX is still and always has been licensed to Weston (just southwest of Preston), though the transmitter is in Utah.
The requirement for community of license on FM is (and I think always has been) that the transmitter location/strength provides a "city grade" signal (70dBu) in that community. That's how 106.7 can be on Farnsworth Peak and be licensed to Spanish Fork. Incidentally, the then 106.5 moved from Lake Mountain to Farnsworth back in 2003. 105.9 is also on Farnsworth. Offhand I don't know the technical requirements for AM, but they are similar.
Don't get confused over classes between AMs and FM's. They are completely different. Class A on AM is great. Class A on FM is not. It's a serious mess and you really don't want to go down that rabbit hole unless you want to spend hours looking at charts and graphs.
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