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Post by CAwasinNJ on Dec 3, 2015 8:29:30 GMT -6
According to Radio Insight (https://radioinsight.com/blog/headlines/95394/broadway-media-to-donate-107-9-kudd-salt-lake-city-upgrade-92-5-kuuu/) Broadway Media is donating KUDD 107.9 to KPCW. KPCW has been pretty much a non-event along most of the Wasatch for years, so this is a major deal for them. According to their own article (http://kpcw.org/post/kpcw-receives-donated-salt-lake-station) they may or may not actually program KUDD. The reason for the donation is to entice KPCW to move from 91.9 to 91.7 (getting a power boost in the process) which allows a move of KUUU/U92 to move to 92.3 and boost IT'S power.
This also strengthens the case that KAUU 105.1 (currently stunting Christmas music as The Gift) will be the new/upgraded home of Mix when all the craziness settles down. I would presume that once KUDD is transferred to KPCW that will be followed by transferring KAUU from the divestiture trust back to Broadway. Broadway currently owns 5 FM's and I'm guessing that's probably the cap, which would explain why they'd need to get rid of one to reacquire the new and better Farnsworth 105.1 signal to put Mix on. Plus they get an improvement for U92 in the bargain. Sounds like a pretty nice bit on engineering to me.
None of this addresses what will happen to the KUDE 103.9 facility on the south end of the valley, but that's still up for sale anyway. They could continue to simulcast the new 105.1 Mix to central Utah indefinitely I suppose.
Thoughts?
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Post by David on Dec 3, 2015 12:35:28 GMT -6
Well, it certainly gives me an idea of what IHeart could do with 910 AM since they apparently have no clue what the heck to do with it.  Then we could have KPCW back on AM as well. |
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Post by drpepper on Dec 9, 2015 0:36:13 GMT -6
Meanwhile, KTCE is back on the air with a Christmas music format and an id every few songs saying "KTCE 92.1 payson." Initially I figured it was just to log some time broadcasting to have not gotten to close to the year mark of being off the air, but who knows. maybe they'll stay on and put in their thoughts about Broadway's proposal. if KQMB ends up staying off the air, logisticly would KTCE be able to continue broadcasting from South mountain with everything else staying the same? IE Class power level, etc?
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Post by drpepper on Dec 9, 2015 0:38:12 GMT -6
Was trying to say could they continue to broadcast at 96.7 under the parameters they currently do at 92.1. |
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Post by CAwasinNJ on Dec 9, 2015 5:27:00 GMT -6
This is the first I'm hearing of KQMB not being on the air. There's nothing filed with the FCC. Can I assume your proposal is for KTCE to buy KQMB and move over to 96.7? I don't think they are co-owned. As far as whether the KUUU move would require anything to happen to the current KTCE facilities, I don't know. The KUUU upgrade hasn't been filed yet, so we don't know what the parameters are going to be. KTCE is currently about 74 kilometers from KUUU. KTCE is a class A and KUUU currently is a C2. The best they could do being first adjacent signals is both being a class A unless a directional antenna comes into play. KUUU certainly can't increase power and move to 92.3 without running into short spacing issues. It's possible that KTCE has agreed to accept the short spacing in exchange for something, but that hasn't been reported anywhere I've seen.
We'll have to wait for the filing to know more.
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Post by amanuensis on Dec 9, 2015 10:17:41 GMT -6
KQMB was not on the air for months. I did not know it was back on the air until I checked this morning as I commuted from West Jordan to Provo. It was off the air for so long that I figured it was kaput and quit checking. Its signal does not sound any better. The classic rock station from Logan is still causing tremendous interferance. When it first went on the air, its signal was much better. I was hoping that after being gone so long, that the owner had done some engineering on that issue. I just checked to see what the allowed power was for the KQMB Provo translator -- 15.2 watts!!! Not kilowatts, WATTS. radio-locator.com/info/KQMB-1-FB I wonder if it has just been the translator that has been off the air, and the Levan main was transmitting all along? |
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Post by drpepper on Dec 9, 2015 12:24:01 GMT -6
CA, no KTCE and KQMB aren't co-owned, I should have been mor specific in that I think KQMB is going to stay off the air, just a prediction. They have been off for 9 or 10 months though. First I thought it was just the provo booster, but then was able to confirm that the main is off as well. so I made that post with the idea that if KQMB does indeed stay off the air for good, then I was wondering if KTCE might be able to slide down to 96.7 without any issues. We'll have to see what ends up happening though. At Amanuensis, the classic rock station you mentioned from logan is at 95.9, not 96.7. The next thing you would hear going south on 95.9 is KMGR. I didn't realize KQMB's provo booster was only 15 wats, no wonder it never seemed to sound very good in provo. What i can hear down here now on 96.7 is K244DH which rebroadcasts KPGR to the Salt lake Valley. When I checked 20 or so minutes ago I was able to confirm that both 88.1 and 96.7 were playing "Iris" by the Goo Goo Dolls.
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Post by amanuensis on Dec 9, 2015 12:58:26 GMT -6
Amanuensis, the classic rock station you mentioned from logan is at 95.9, not 96.7. The next thing you would hear going south on 95.9 is KMGR. I didn't realize KQMB's provo booster was only 15 wats, no wonder it never seemed to sound very good in provo. What i can hear down here now on 96.7 is K244DH which rebroadcasts KPGR to the Salt lake Valley. When I checked 20 or so minutes ago I was able to confirm that both 88.1 and 96.7 were playing "Iris" by the Goo Goo Dolls. Doh! You are of course right about the Logan station being on 95.9.
But then, what am I hearing on 96.7 when I went south of the Point of the Mountain? K244DH faded out and was (mostly) replaced by something else. Which is why I thought that the KQMB translator was back on the air.
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Post by drpepper on Dec 9, 2015 15:10:34 GMT -6
interesting! Yeah i'm curious what you were hearing also. I know that around orem/provo I have heard a mix of K244DH, and KKEX, but I'm sure if it was country that you heard you would have considered that, i'm giving you the benifit of the doubt. |
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Post by friendlee on Dec 10, 2015 8:51:31 GMT -6
And this is the problem that K244DH has had all along. When it was up on Ensign Peak, it was fed from K204BO on Lake which had to move to West when KNKL signed on - weakening the input signal into Ensign Peak along with the flooding of the input of K244DH requiring the move to Little Farnsworth. It was outside the protected contours of both KKEX's on-channel booster in Tremonton and KQMB's Spanish Fork on-channel booster and yet both stations claimed interference from little 10-watt K244DH. It was interesting to note that in our research, we could actually hear KKEX's signal alternating with K244DH at the base of Spanish Fork mountain which shadowed KQMB's booster - and hearing mostly KKEX's. As the goal of K244DH was to serve downtown SLC, the concerns voiced by the rimshotting Frandsen- and Morey-owned signals drove management to put K244DH on the block. This was even after we had reduced K244DH's output power to 3 watts and yet both stations continued to claim interference....both over 40 miles away from SLC and well outside their protected contours!
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Post by amanuensis on Dec 10, 2015 14:01:32 GMT -6
For the record, it is KKEX that I start hearing in Utah County. Although at times, I can (I think) hear a third signal. Maybe weird atmospherics are bringing in the 96.7 translator of KPCW. And of course I should have used the term booster instead of translator when I was talking about the booster for KQMB.
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Post by CAwasinNJ on Dec 10, 2015 23:22:35 GMT -6
Remember that a booster can't increase the coverage area beyond what the main should theoretically be able to cover on its own but is blocked by obsticles. KQMB's booster is licensed to Provo, but a city of license for a booster means even less than it does for full service stations. That booster is actually located down near Payson and barely hits Provo at all. (I remember a long time ago 107.9 applied for a "Provo" booster that was actually located out near the Salt Lake Airport and didn't get anywhere near Provo!)
Friend as I'm sure you know protected contours don't mean anything when talking about translators. It sucks being a true second class citizen, but that's what class D's are. When KVFX was off the air a couple of weeks ago I was getting KLGL in Davis County. Their local area barely even touches Utah County. The signal wasn't great but it was perfectly listenable. It seems plausible to me that there might be a few listeners to KKEX or KQMB in the Salt Lake area. Of course they would have had to discover it after K244DH went silent, so who knows.
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Post by friendlee on Dec 11, 2015 8:15:44 GMT -6
Flat earth models vs. reality, mathematical projections compared to actual signal performance. YMMV. |
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Post by CAwasinNJ on Dec 11, 2015 22:26:59 GMT -6
The KUDD donation application has been filed with the FCC. It does specifically state that Broadway is unloading KUDD so they can acquire KAUU. It also says that Broadway keeps the KUDD callsign and all the programming "stuff" that makes up Mix. Plus it says that new boosters in Summit and Wasatch Counties are to be constructed and that the 107.9 license will be converted to non-commercial status.
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Then we could have KPCW back on AM as well.
