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Post by Timmy on May 17, 2012 5:32:39 GMT -6
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Post by seattlefollower on May 17, 2012 8:40:27 GMT -6
Interesting news!
I personally think SLC can support two, but one of them would need to mostly or almost entirely be on 'auto pilot.' In two other mid-sized markets, there are two viable sports talk properties. Portland, Ore. has 750 "the Game" and 1320 "the Fan." Seattle, Wash. has 710 ESPN Seattle and 950 AM KJR. Even Boise, Id. maintains two - one on AM one on AM/FM simulcast.
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Post by radioman101 on May 17, 2012 15:43:22 GMT -6
I think the move by the Jazz will prove to the be the death knell to KFNZ. At least as a sports station.
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Post by CAwasinNJ on May 17, 2012 21:27:22 GMT -6
What could 1320 flip to though? I guess one possibility is to move whatever Fox Sports Radio programs are cleared on 1230 over, but I don't see that as a huge ratings winner. There's some room for promotion if they want to go that route. On the other hand, there's something else interesting that may indicate Cumulus already has ideas on what to do at least with 1320. Scott Pierce in the Trib is reporting that Cumulus didn't want to continue with the LMA that the Jazz have on 1320. (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/sports/54127902-77/jazz-radio-sports-lhm.html.csp) Also if that article is right, the other professional teams other than Real Salt Lake (who own KALL 700) are already on The Zone plus some college. The Cougars are on KSL and that's never going to change. KALL also has the Utes, so maybe something might happen there. That's pretty much it. Am I forgetting anyone? But what about the 97.5/1280 deal itself. The big question I had when I saw this news was how this would affect FM listening. The Jazz have had FM coverage for years, first on K-Bear 101 and now on B98.7, but 97.5 is a Humpy rimshot with a much lower signal strength in the core of the market. This is pure speculation, but I don't see a Jazz simulcast on a full market signal in addition to KZNS-FM. Just doesn't make sense to me, but a lot of what radio companies do doesn't make sense to me.  Since 97.5 is on Humpy, that's a gain for the communities out in the Uintas plus SW Wyoming. It's bad for those on the west side of the Oquirrhs (like Tooele) who it doesn't look like will get any FM at all and the AM side doesn't look good. |
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Post by maxxfordham on May 18, 2012 2:33:27 GMT -6
Thanks for the alert.
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Post by dspete on May 22, 2012 20:28:05 GMT -6
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Post by CAwasinNJ on May 22, 2012 21:38:13 GMT -6
Didn't see that coming. Given the signal issues I would have guessed the simulcast would stay. Maybe there were contracts that were legacies of both stations that had to be fulfilled? It doesn't seem like there's much of a chance that 1320 is remaining sports does it?
Let's play Program Director. You've been handed 1320 and been told to make something of it. What do you do? Bring back Country Legends? Classic country on 700 worked a decade ago, but KSOP(AM) has always struggled. True Oldies Channel? It's cheap programming off the bird that they already own, but up against a local signal on FM it's probably not going to do well this time around either. What else could they do?
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Post by CAwasinNJ on May 24, 2012 0:44:05 GMT -6
Supposedly the simulcast of 1320 & 1280 is underway, but 1280 is currently running "The Best of Marcel Marceau."{1} Radio-Info says the purchase price for 97.5/1280 is $3.25 million.
{1} dead air
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Post by levoix on May 24, 2012 21:49:05 GMT -6
How about "All traffic all the time"! >> www.am730.ca/But seriously, I'd love to see an "All News" radio station do well here. I think there's enough going on state-wide to warrant it. |
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Post by CAwasinNJ on May 25, 2012 0:54:47 GMT -6
All Traffic was tried in Los Angeles and only lasted a few years. If there was ever a place that needed it, it's LA.
I think I've suggested before that KSL split the simulcast and have the all news times on both stations, but keep all news when the other side has a talk show. They have the infrastructure already. Whether there's enough interest all day every day for the cume to make up for the short TSL I'm not sure.
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Post by David on May 27, 2012 15:30:05 GMT -6
Didn't see that coming. Given the signal issues I would have guessed the simulcast would stay. Maybe there were contracts that were legacies of both stations that had to be fulfilled? It doesn't seem like there's much of a chance that 1320 is remaining sports does it? Let's play Program Director. You've been handed 1320 and been told to make something of it. What do you do? Bring back Country Legends? Classic country on 700 worked a decade ago, but KSOP(AM) has always struggled. True Oldies Channel? It's cheap programming off the bird that they already own, but up against a local signal on FM it's probably not going to do well this time around either. What else could they do? Well, I don't think we need any additional talk or Spanish language stations on the AM band. I still don't understand how all six AM (730, 1490, 1550, 1600, 1640, and 1660) Spanish language stations manage to eke out enough of a market share to pay the bills, but I'm not a radio programming expert by any means. I'd suggest an adult standards format for 1320, but I'm sure I'd be one of only about a dozen people who would tune in.  And even though I liked the True Oldies format, KDYL pretty much has that market share sewn up, at least on AM. Classic Country might work depending on 1320's night time signal. I think part of the reason KSOP-AM has struggled is because the station powers down to 500 watts at night and is more or less obliterated by the talk station in Kalispell almost anywhere north of Salt Lake. At least that's been my experience here in Ogden. One thing I can definitely rule out as a format: an all weather station. I remember when 1280 (WWTC) tried that when I lived in Minneapolis (where weather is a BIG part of everyday life, especially in winter), and the station dropped the format in less than six months. At least the all traffic format in LA lasted for a few years. |
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Post by CAwasinNJ on May 27, 2012 23:21:55 GMT -6
I don't care for Spanish programming, but to be fair Spanish is a language not a format. There are 17 English AM's even only counting what you can hear in Salt Lake itself, and I think we can agree that only a few of them are a waste of RF.
Adult standards has been tried several times over the 15 years I've been here (107.9, 1280, 1060 for sure, maybe more.) The demos are older which makes it a problem, though less so on AM. It's definitely something that isn't in the market now, so it's definitely worth considering.
Which True Oldies are you referring to? The original concept (mostly 50's-early 60's) or the cookie cutter oldies station that it turned into? True Oldies now isn't any different than most other oldies stations and it starting to become more classic hits. Just now they played Dire Straits' Sultans Of Swing and Hall and Oates' Private Eyes back to back. True Oldies? I don't think so. What True Oldies is doing now is pretty much the same thing Oldies 94.1 is doing, but on AM it just isn't going to compete. The difference with KDYL is that they're actually doing what True Oldies used to. Even with that advantage they're still getting bad 12+ numbers, never mind what they get in the 18-49 money demo. Yes they have a bad nighttime signal, and you mentioned KSOP(AM) does too. Thing is, after evening drive time radio listening goes way down. The listening on radio is done during the day, and the signal isn't nearly as much of a problem then. It just doesn't work for whatever reason.
You know we do have a number of all weather stations already. The obvious is NOAA Weatherradio itself, but a number of communities who run their own TIS emergency notification stations use NOAA as filler in between prerecorded announcements. It's not a bad idea for a very low bitrate HD3 for those who insist on using the fuzzbox.
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Post by dspete on May 28, 2012 1:49:09 GMT -6
Spanish Contemporary Spanish Tropical Spanish Adult Hits Spanish News/Talk Spanish Variety Spanish Oldies According to Arbitron these are considered formats albeit Spanish Language Formats but most like to say plainly Spanish formats  And NO we don't need anymore of these put on the air! Not racist but enough is enough how about a A Patriotic Radio station for a change. then the ACLU can look into a say it's to red white and blue and tell us we need to put other countries national anthems on it to be fair!!! VIVA La USA |
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Post by moundofsound on May 28, 2012 17:12:37 GMT -6
They could try the LDS Music thing again. It was on 1320 before, after 860 went off the air. Automated with little staff it could generate some ratings, perhaps. But I doubt the current ownership is much in to the LDS culture.
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Post by CAwasinNJ on May 29, 2012 0:12:43 GMT -6
Isn't that what the first version of KUTR 820 was when it went on the air, before it went female talk? It didn't do so well.
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Since 97.5 is on Humpy, that's a gain for the communities out in the Uintas plus SW Wyoming. It's bad for those on the west side of the Oquirrhs (like Tooele) who it doesn't look like will get any FM at all and the AM side doesn't look good.
And even though I liked the True Oldies format, KDYL pretty much has that market share sewn up, at least on AM. Classic Country might work depending on 1320's night time signal. I think part of the reason KSOP-AM has struggled is because the station powers down to 500 watts at night and is more or less obliterated by the talk station in Kalispell almost anywhere north of Salt Lake. At least that's been my experience here in Ogden.
